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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast this is the first in a new

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series profiling some of the main

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players in the world of ufos over the

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last few years particularly

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kick starting with none other than tom

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delong or is it delange i'll bring in

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dan who's joining me for this series dan

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you've just corrected me on the

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pronunciation of his sun

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well actually minus seconds we hadn't

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even started yet

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it's technically i mean he said it along

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his whole life uh it was during a tour

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in the last like i want to say last

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decade where someone told him it's

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actually delange and he made a big thing

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about it so you can pick either

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that's fair because i've said my own

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surname many different ways over the

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years as well greilyn right

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mcquillen was the weirdest one

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apostrophe and i thought that was really

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that really classy we are going to talk

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about tom delong and his years

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proceeding to the stars academy and

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everything that happened from december

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2017 with the new york times that will

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all be encompassed within part two so

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part one dan i'm gonna kick off just

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with a little bit of background on

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thomas matthew delong he was born

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december 13th 1975 and as we know as an

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american musician singer songwriter

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author record producer actor and

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filmmaker possessing a distinctive nasal

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singing voice famous for the where are

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he is the lead vocalist and guitarist of

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rock band angels and airwaves which he

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vocalist guitarist and co-founder of the

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rock blant rock band blink 182

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blink one eight i was gonna say blink

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one eight two but it's blink 182 isn't

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two one eighty two hundred and eighty

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two uh tom one said it was 118

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uh two just just to mess with people

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so yeah so black 182 from its formation

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california where he embraced

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skateboarding at an early age de long

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years the band created a following in

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the mid-90s through independent releases

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advance that tom got from dude ranch was

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how he bought his first computer and he

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so if you're listening to this and you

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music and touring frequently before

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2015. in addition to tom's musical

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three he released his children's book

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music videos growing up you know

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musician kind of touring around the

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smartphones and things like that so he's

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nugget to come across um during this

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time as well um tom launched a website

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space as humanity is wiped out and he's

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is that what it is so i'm on strange

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times and now takes you to strange times

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dot to the stars dot media um so is that

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the tom delong paranormal series strange

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times and development at tbs so is that

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in development now it is yeah that's

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been in development for a while so

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the the monsters of california movie

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that he's making is meant to be a more

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adult version of that just kind of teens

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around san diego and california

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learning about myths and monsters and

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everything that goes bump in the night

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so in true to the stars fashion when you

286
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click for more info on that it takes you

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to the to the stars shop

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so yeah so maybe there's not a whole lot

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in that link but i'll put it up for

290
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people nonetheless

291
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um we'll we'll get to talking about to

292
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the stars shop and other ventures again

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probably in part two

294
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yeah no doubt so it was just after that

295
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the the kind of the blink reunion

296
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happened and tom was very not not

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committed but he just had a lot of stuff

298
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going on they their record labels needed

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albums within like you know five months

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and he was like well i've got these

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deals with authors and you know i'm

302
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making this movie and i can't

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kind of go back on those contracts so

304
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he he eventually parted ways with blank

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but this whole time he's knocking on

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doors and talking to people and as we

307
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found out um

308
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it was early in 2017 the wikileaks um

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event happened where up until that point

310
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tom had been making all of these claims

311
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and saying he'd been talking to these

312
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people and then the wikileaks

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league happens and suddenly we see that

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he's talking to people like john podesta

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um who

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you know is quite a big deal in in the

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white house um

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so that that then leads to

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tom kind of

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once he connected with certain people it

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was a

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party at lockheed i believe it goes back

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to um he kind of started throwing his

324
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way around a little bit uh

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he was asked to just meet someone as the

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musician comes along

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and he just threw the condition out

328
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there that he would only meet this

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person if he could have you know 10

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minutes alone in a room with them to

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pitch him a project turns out that

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project was an early version of secret

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machines it was a documentary being made

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for vice a very kind of

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their audience is very teen very young

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skewing um

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so tom's plan was initially basically to

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get the youth on board with this and and

339
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i don't think that's gone away but what

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has changed is his very

341
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his low-key approach kind of almost him

342
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you know filming a documentary with

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hidden cameras

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became unidentified where they were sat

345
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in the room with proper lights a proper

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setup you know lou alexander with them

347
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um things like that he he got

348
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legitimized at a certain point um

349
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by the team

350
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now you've brought us probably quite

351
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nicely right up to 2015-16 where a lot

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of the rest of the conversation goes

353
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from um

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something we talked about in preparing

355
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for this and and you told me to make a

356
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note to mention that i just threw out

357
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there was

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as we're going to discuss these the

359
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consistency over the years of tom

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delong's claims

361
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is is pretty strong

362
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that as i listened to various different

363
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interviews and read some article quotes

364
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and stuff that you had saved from

365
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twitter over the years and

366
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he's not for all he's jumped about and

367
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he's he's spoken on a lot of different

368
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things that have just at times seemed

369
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like he's talking about this he's

370
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talking about this he's talking about

371
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this

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he's been pretty consistent with what he

373
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has talked about and he's kept going

374
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back to the same ideas and theories

375
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which is really interesting given

376
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he never i suppose we all associate him

377
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with his relationship with like louis

378
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ondo and and chris mellon and those guys

379
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and to the stars came out and said

380
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jim simav and steve justice help it of

381
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and numerous others

382
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but back at the start

383
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tommed along and i'll put up the

384
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actual give some credit here to engaging

385
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the phenomenon because that was one of

386
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the ones i watched james ian doley's

387
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channel i'll give the link to that

388
00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:16,720
particular interview or our setup piece

389
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:18,800
that he done where he talks about

390
00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:21,680
stephen greer meeting tom delong and tom

391
00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:24,240
delong on interviews it says it was for

392
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open minds tv at the time

393
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:28,240
was talking about how he flew stephen

394
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:30,320
greer and his daughter out to blink 182

395
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gig

396
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and he flew out various other people and

397
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he claims around then things started

398
00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:37,760
getting weird when he was given the

399
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disclosure projects vhs tapes is that

400
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:41,760
something you've seen quite anything

401
00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:43,600
about dan

402
00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:45,600
yeah um the connection between tom and

403
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:47,920
greer that came i mean we're talking

404
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,800
pre-2015 pretty much um

405
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:52,720
there's there's an interview

406
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,600
around 2015 2016 where tom talks about

407
00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:57,760
uh weird encounters he had in the desert

408
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,160
he says that he he was out in the field

409
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:02,160
with a prominent ufologist and he kind

410
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:04,399
of talks about the videotapes and the

411
00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:05,920
disclosure project enough that you can

412
00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:09,519
kind of say yeah that that's gria um

413
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:11,680
they engaged the protocols nothing

414
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:12,399
happened

415
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,639
but then 2 3 am he was woken up with a

416
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:16,160
lot of voices kind of chatting around

417
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,839
his tent in the morning found out that

418
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,079
everyone had experienced this and and

419
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:22,320
that kind of scared tom a bit away from

420
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:23,519
it you know the way the way that he

421
00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:26,560
talks about it it was a really i i think

422
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:29,040
it shocked him the response he got but

423
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,279
it was at that point

424
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,519
that

425
00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:36,000
tom tom talks about in in i want to say

426
00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,600
it's coast to coast he basically says

427
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:39,519
that he felt that grier was kind of

428
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:42,959
using tom's fame to get his message out

429
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,970
um and it seems no like that

430
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:46,480
[Laughter]

431
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,519
so

432
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:49,759
what what you're seeing is

433
00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,440
you know in some people's eyes it's

434
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:53,279
tommed along the rockstar being used to

435
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:55,120
get a message out by different camps of

436
00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:58,880
people um only tom

437
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:00,079
kind of

438
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:02,880
pushes away those things that are the

439
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,759
muddy the waters so to speak um and he

440
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:07,360
ends up with and we have to remember

441
00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:10,160
that ttsa is the b team because tom

442
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,839
describes his a team as being lost when

443
00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:13,600
wikileaks happened and that faucet shut

444
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,360
off

445
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:17,120
let me just i'm going to just quickly

446
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,560
put in there dan because we've talked

447
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:20,240
about this before and people people may

448
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:22,720
not have heard or forgotten i've been

449
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,399
sarcastic they are talking about steven

450
00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:25,600
greer

451
00:16:30,069 --> 00:16:27,839
i have said before i reckon there was

452
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:30,079
probably a time where stephen greer had

453
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:31,759
the best intentions

454
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,839
and had a message that he wanted to get

455
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:35,759
out there i don't think the stephen

456
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:37,920
grade of 20 and 30 years ago is the same

457
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:40,320
person that that does what he does now

458
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:42,639
and has the same message or same

459
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:46,240
same motivations for what he does so

460
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,079
maybe at the time when they when they

461
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:50,240
got together that there was a a pure

462
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,079
intent but like you say

463
00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:53,839
tom feels that even then he was being

464
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,240
used by by dr greer

465
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,560
yeah absolutely and i think a credit's

466
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,240
on there as well

467
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,000
because we all kind of we we all come

468
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:04,559
across grier in this field and he he

469
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,280
walks a good walk you know um

470
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:09,120
but the difference is that tom just had

471
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,640
the money to go into the desert with him

472
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,480
and you know i imagine he probably got

473
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,720
the experience for free but he still had

474
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,319
the time and the money to go do that and

475
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,400
indulge it and at a certain point

476
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:19,919
realize just like the rest of us that

477
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:22,160
when gria says oh i was briefing so and

478
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,439
so so actually it turns out it was a

479
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,799
dinner party and it wasn't really a

480
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,000
briefing and

481
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:28,400
those things are being indulged um when

482
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:29,760
you're tom's along and you're going to

483
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,160
meet you know luis salazando those

484
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,240
things fall away very quickly because

485
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,760
they're just not worth talking about you

486
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:36,720
know

487
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,039
those those early conversations and

488
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,080
forward that are very intriguing and i'm

489
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:44,000
going to reference some of the the early

490
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:46,240
fate to black interviews and other pcs

491
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,000
a lot of the conversations are very much

492
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:50,000
along the lines of i was in a secure

493
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,080
building with some high-ranking people i

494
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:54,480
was speaking to two officials you know

495
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,520
there were some people that i was

496
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:57,120
talking to but i can't go into any more

497
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,480
details in that

498
00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:01,280
there's a lot of teasing and suggestive

499
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:02,320
talk

500
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:03,679
but

501
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,919
tom delong is a creative soul and a

502
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,600
storyteller through various different

503
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,360
platforms like we've said

504
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,280
do you think that comes into a lot of

505
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:13,200
how he talks about the ufo subject it

506
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,280
sounds like he's got the most amazing

507
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,840
outline for a great story but a lot of

508
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:19,679
the major details are missing that

509
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:22,559
really get people to buy in that maybe

510
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:24,720
from the mainstream are from the outside

511
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:28,080
and i suppose even referencing that

512
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:29,120
interview

513
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,160
where

514
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,840
we touched on this we talked about it

515
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:33,039
didn't we that

516
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:34,960
i watched a super cut someone's put

517
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,120
together on youtube and it's one minute

518
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:39,760
of tom delong from the the notorious joe

519
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,360
rogan interview of tom delong saying

520
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,960
yeah i can't talk about that i can't say

521
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,960
that person's name i spoke to two people

522
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:48,400
that i can't go into any more detail

523
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,280
about

524
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:51,200
that doesn't come across well on a

525
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,840
mainstream platform i suppose any of us

526
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,160
now would listen to three hours of tom

527
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,480
on coast to coast or or joe oregon or

528
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,480
any show and be really interested

529
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,240
but wanting that mainstream and the

530
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:04,080
general public to get interested in this

531
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,120
topic

532
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:08,000
it doesn't help unless you can embellish

533
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:08,840
or

534
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,120
things

535
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,840
what's frustrating about tom is as you

536
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,360
listen to those early interviews and

537
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,880
conversations

538
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,799
there's so much he can say

539
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:24,799
which at times you think wow how can he

540
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:25,919
talk about all of this how can he

541
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,919
divulge all this information and i've

542
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,760
got some examples that we'll go through

543
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,750
yeah like that you said that that was

544
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,520
that was his quote wasn't it i've got no

545
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:38,400
clearing so i can but then there's so

546
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,520
much

547
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,080
dan's hit the mic take a shot um there's

548
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,320
so much that he doesn't go into detail

549
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:46,080
of that really would back up a lot of

550
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,760
those claims and i get it must be a

551
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,600
really hard line to walk

552
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,039
but is that just

553
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,400
the pitfalls of someone like tom being

554
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:56,240
involved in the position that he he

555
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,679
finds himself

556
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,840
yeah i think so um you know you look at

557
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,200
his work with angels and airwaves and

558
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,600
each each project has kind of been in

559
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:05,200
front of where the public discussion was

560
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,080
going to go um you know he started kind

561
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,640
of talking about love and we all know

562
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,080
that that love and light kind of

563
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,559
language that love is a tangible thing

564
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:15,919
that kind of science is yet to

565
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,640
understand um we all know that exists in

566
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,240
the community and he kind of put that

567
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,159
out into the world while he's talking

568
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:24,159
about nuts and bolts things and if you

569
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,440
compare

570
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,640
those old conversations to the

571
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,640
conversations now in fact i think i

572
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:30,240
think he literally said on theories of

573
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,640
everything um or sorry brian keaton's

574
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,880
podcast with jim st mcmahon and kurt

575
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,200
from theories of everything um

576
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:39,280
that he's learned to talk about it

577
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,840
better now um you know there's

578
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,520
people when they get asked about this

579
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,559
subject

580
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,159
are quick to kind of try and get to the

581
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,320
dramatic flair but you really don't need

582
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:52,559
it and i i think tom's kind of come to

583
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,080
understand that

584
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,760
adding in things that he's uncertain

585
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,039
about just

586
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,799
just serves to muddy the conversation he

587
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,640
seems a lot more focused these days on

588
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,880
on where he's going with it which is

589
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,799
consciousness right

590
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,640
yeah that that brian keating interview

591
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,400
will definitely be discussed as part of

592
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,080
part three it's one of the most recent

593
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,320
things that tom's done on the subject

594
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,000
you mentioned early talk being about

595
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,720
positive energy love uh beings and

596
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,799
entities feeding on fear that

597
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,480
consciousness is a huge part of the

598
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,440
conversation that's pushed a lot um but

599
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:25,120
tom says and i'll quote there are still

600
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,880
physical craft still spaceships crashing

601
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,799
i was really interested to go back and

602
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,400
watch and fool some of those early

603
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,480
interviews and i jumped on to tom

604
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,400
delong's appearance on jimmy church fade

605
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,360
to black from august 2016.

606
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,760
and it's it's quite a telling interview

607
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,360
and i'll refer to jimmy he does do some

608
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,200
digging on this one and ask some

609
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,520
difficult questions that tom doesn't

610
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,000
necessarily seem to like or want to

611
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,200
answer

612
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,960
one of them being on fate to black how

613
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,720
does tom know that he's next not the

614
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,520
next paul benowitz a ufo researcher that

615
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,679
was famously fed misinformation as

616
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,400
admitted by richard doherty and

617
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:04,480
is no longer with us

618
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,360
tom almost cuts off the question with a

619
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,520
no no no no

620
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,039
in response that he's definitely not

621
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,520
being used because

622
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,080
his answers for me is a little bit

623
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,880
all over the place that it comes from a

624
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,760
place of self-confidence rather than any

625
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,760
evidence and that he's confident he's

626
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:26,159
being told legitimate information uh

627
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,520
rather than all the people who are fed

628
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,159
misinformation because of who he is and

629
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,080
what he has done he talks about stove

630
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,320
pipes that he's got access to all of

631
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,080
these small groups within the government

632
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:37,840
and we've heard in recent years about

633
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,559
comp um compartmentalization and he

634
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,159
talks about having these stove pipes

635
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,679
that lead to smaller groups that lead to

636
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,240
smaller groups and that he went around

637
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,039
banging on the doors is what he says

638
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,840
and he makes it sound like pretty easy

639
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,919
and then i asked you surely that had

640
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,240
been attempted or done by by other more

641
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,240
serious folks in the past and they've

642
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,400
tried to have these conversations why

643
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,840
does tom delonge

644
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,000
famous punk rock are going about banging

645
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,679
on the doors of of secret government

646
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,200
stove pipes

647
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,400
make it

648
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,760
that he's getting more legitimate

649
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,880
information

650
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,720
and that he's seeming to make as much

651
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,480
progress as he

652
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:15,679
was then

653
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,880
i i feel like tom he came around at the

654
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:20,960
right time knocking those doors

655
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,440
um

656
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,000
12 february 2015 podesta tweets as he's

657
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,360
leaving office

658
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,520
finally my biggest failure of 2014 once

659
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,120
again not secure in the disclosure of

660
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,120
the ufo files hashtag the truth is still

661
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,840
out there and he tags the new york times

662
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:38,080
you've also got around this time

663
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,960
um

664
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:42,000
this was yeah 2014 2015. so we've got

665
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,720
the

666
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,039
events going on um with gimbal and go

667
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,679
fast and those the navy kind of

668
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,600
encountering them there i i feel like

669
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,000
there was an uptick in a lot of talk and

670
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:53,679
uptick in people wanting to release it

671
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:54,559
you know

672
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,240
clinton oh sorry hillary clinton now uh

673
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,200
wanted or was supposed to be it seems a

674
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,120
a kind of disclosure president you know

675
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,200
she she wrote the uap subject and spoke

676
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,279
about it frankly and seriously

677
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,520
way before you know any

678
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,840
other politician did um

679
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,360
and i think tom's alone kind of coming

680
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,000
into that with a plan to kind of roll

681
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,640
out this knowledge really steadily i i

682
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,600
think

683
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,320
he he was very ideal to head up

684
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,559
one of the five pillars that lou and

685
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,039
melon kind of spoke about you know and

686
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,120
one of them would be public engagement

687
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,440
and we do it on ufo twitter but you know

688
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,520
i do it with art and things like that

689
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,600
tom does it with his art he just has a

690
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,159
huge audience so yeah i think in a lot

691
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,919
of ways that he he was just the right

692
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,080
person at the right time

693
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,679
there's a going to be a separate

694
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
follow-up to this show where we're going

695
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,440
to look at the listener questions and

696
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,840
suggestions so if off the back of this

697
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:51,679
you you want to add anything to this

698
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,000
part one then then let us know ufo uapam

699
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,080
gmail.com or you can tweet us and let us

700
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,760
know but there was there was so much

701
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,320
sent in it's going to be a separate show

702
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,159
altogether for the listener suggestions

703
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,080
and follow-ups and as part of that we'll

704
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:09,120
touch on the podesta uh wikileaks stuff

705
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,480
but also

706
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,720
if hillary clinton had

707
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,559
been elected what would have changed and

708
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,159
we'll speculate on that a little bit we

709
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,520
just don't want to get away too much

710
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,360
from from tom delong and the profile on

711
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:21,039
him in this part

712
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,159
now

713
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,640
tom de long like you say

714
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,120
um he's been around now what six years

715
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,559
as a name

716
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,279
in this field and again back then tom

717
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,600
delong claimed again on the same jimmy

718
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,320
church show that ufos are bad news deal

719
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,360
with it now this is august 2016

720
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,559
and

721
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,480
that's a big claim he seemed to really

722
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,159
go on the negative as much as he talked

723
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,559
about you know love being a force and a

724
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,520
power and entities that are

725
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,240
they don't have our best you know

726
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,760
our best intent

727
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,360
at their heart and why should they

728
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,559
necessarily

729
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,080
jimmy church mentions a sighting and

730
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,600
says it must be a good thing that he was

731
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,760
on the beach and and saw these orbs

732
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,240
bouncing about and and tom just jumps in

733
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,520
with you know what it's playing with you

734
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,440
and that's bad

735
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,520
that's reminded me of you know the word

736
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,080
somber and somber sounding that there's

737
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,720
a lot of negativity involved and if

738
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:17,520
these ufos are bad news

739
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,990
why can tom just come out and say that

740
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,840
again at that time is this again he has

741
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,159
no clearance or do you think he's being

742
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,200
fed that as a narrative or as a totally

743
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,120
fair claim i i think potentially a bit

744
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,039
of both um the the interesting thing to

745
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:36,960
remember with the secret machines books

746
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,559
is that tom didn't write them um with so

747
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,039
aj hartley wrote the the kind of the dan

748
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,279
brown-esque ones with ufo law

749
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,000
kind of folded in um and pizza lavender

750
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,000
wrote the kind of the documentary-style

751
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,960
ones non-fiction um and both of them

752
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,640
were allowed to do their own research

753
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,159
tom just kind of gave a little seed and

754
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,919
they kind of went off and and i found it

755
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,120
really intriguing that they came to a

756
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,360
lot of the same ideas as tom has and

757
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,200
that tom has spoken about be it ancient

758
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,120
texts or our dna or

759
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:07,120
you know what's developed over the years

760
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,080
um

761
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,080
in in terms of like a broad sweep of

762
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,240
that first secret machines book you know

763
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,880
i won't go into details but it has you

764
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,559
know a species that

765
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:18,240
occupies our consciousness and can kind

766
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:22,240
of control life uh across multiple minds

767
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,320
at once uh like a hive mind we we have

768
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,559
recovered sources being flown using

769
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,559
consciousness but not everybody can

770
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,360
access that kind of control

771
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,240
we have black triangles as

772
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,840
countries kind of using the advanced

773
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,679
tech and trying to kind of understand it

774
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,880
and then right at the end of the books

775
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,480
you have a tic tac that comes in and

776
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,640
nobody knows where it's from

777
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:46,960
and that's like like i say very broad

778
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,919
strokes um because specific events in

779
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:52,399
those books are probably

780
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,360
you know

781
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,600
fictionalized but i i thought that was

782
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,960
quite interesting that that was what uh

783
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,440
the message that was left

784
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,840
why do you think then at that time dan

785
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,440
tom de long

786
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,200
is being given the knowledge to plant

787
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,919
seeds and books like that as it's

788
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,080
as simple as a few high-ranking

789
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:14,320
officials that tom bangs on about

790
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,279
have

791
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,960
they just trust that this is the right

792
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,039
guy to start getting this message out so

793
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,640
let's do it now like you say was it

794
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,120
timing and he's been given

795
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,799
it seems like an incredible amount of

796
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,440
knowledge do you think it's got some

797
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,600
mistruths mixed in with it just for good

798
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,600
measure to make sure that he's not just

799
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,240
finding out all this good stuff and able

800
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,640
just to go out there with it um i'll

801
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,799
quote again that there's a real lack of

802
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,679
positivity in early conversations but

803
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,760
tom says that he's found out and been

804
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,760
told that on some planets human beings

805
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,240
pop up and have little balls of light in

806
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,080
their mind our hearts and they get a

807
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,760
signal from the core

808
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,760
or a god and that's how the universe

809
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,440
works and he's just coming out and

810
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,600
saying this is what i've been told

811
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:58,960
we're not getting a whole lot to back

812
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,320
that up but it's not necessarily

813
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,840
new information

814
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,360
it's it's things that people had talked

815
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,360
about in the previous decades and it's

816
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,640
things that other people have talked

817
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,000
about since

818
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,440
but

819
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,440
why do you think tom is so trusting of

820
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,880
what he's been told do you think an

821
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,279
element of it as again being the kind of

822
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,840
person he is he wants to believe that

823
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,919
or do you think it's really he's getting

824
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,559
some good information off the back of it

825
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,039
i i can imagine that it's probably

826
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,919
plausible deniability you know if it

827
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,440
goes off the rails

828
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,600
they can just say oh it's crazy rockstar

829
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,000
you know they're like it's not the same

830
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,919
as louis lozando saying a lot of the

831
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,520
things that tom is saying which he

832
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,200
hasn't you know there's a lot that he

833
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,919
just hasn't backed um and you can see

834
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,440
the division as well because the bob

835
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,640
lazar uh autobiography was released by

836
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,279
uh a different publishing arm from to

837
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,960
the stars so that was kind of separate

838
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,399
and not associated

839
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,000
so it's interesting that you can see

840
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:58,240
that the information is being separated

841
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,120
um

842
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,279
but there was i part of me wonders do

843
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,039
you remember tom spoke about being

844
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,520
interrogated for two days yeah because

845
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:07,840
supposedly he had information he wasn't

846
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,200
supposed to have um i'll quote here

847
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,640
he says i remember when i was doing this

848
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,559
early on i was so gung-ho about getting

849
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,159
this information out i've got to be a

850
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,840
little careful with some of this i got

851
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:19,440
brought into something and they sat me

852
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,240
down

853
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,840
they said first we need to know who the

854
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,919
f you are who the f you're talking to he

855
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,919
had a two day interrogation in a hotel

856
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,640
room and it was following that that he

857
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,080
said that he didn't sleep for three

858
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,679
nights because something was said during

859
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,919
that interrogation that scared the jesus

860
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,760
out of him um

861
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,480
so

862
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,039
i think little events like that make tom

863
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,640
confident that what he's got is correct

864
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,080
but you're right it might not all be

865
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,760
correct right it might be only 10

866
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,120
correct and they're actually picking on

867
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,720
that one little bit of information that

868
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,360
lets them know someone said something to

869
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,760
him that maybe they weren't meant to

870
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,520
we we talked about this again in

871
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,360
researching and planning the show we do

872
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,799
that from time to time actually plan

873
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,559
them don't we and like i say he

874
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,320
mentioned on some planets being human

875
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,080
beings pop up talks about little balls

876
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,640
of light and if the idea is is literally

877
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,039
that there are human beings on other

878
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,279
planets out there within the universe

879
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,039
not just other alien species but other

880
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:15,120
human beings like us

881
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,320
is that

882
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,559
what we hear when we hear mankind's

883
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:20,000
potentially

884
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,519
obviously when i asked lou to follow

885
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,200
that up way back it seems like a

886
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,120
lifetime ago in our first interview with

887
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,600
lou he talked about beings who could see

888
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:29,679
time from a different perspective and

889
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,559
and a very famous analogy he then gave

890
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,240
but do you think there's also the the

891
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,159
potential that our brains are the

892
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,000
antenna for for consciousness from a

893
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,000
source we've talked about it before that

894
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,640
maybe the our bodies are just the the

895
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,960
radio receiver and the soul is a signal

896
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,360
being sent here to have this experience

897
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,799
and then when you die it goes away and

898
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,720
goes back to source and maybe it goes to

899
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:52,480
a different frequency

900
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,840
maybe this is a good time to so in 2019

901
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,519
angels and aoes did a tour and at the

902
00:32:02,950 --> 00:31:59,440
end of the shows they would play this

903
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,960
computerized voice to the audience um

904
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,559
and it played it was just titled the

905
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,240
message that's what they called it you

906
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,200
know they never had any proper

907
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,120
recordings but you can find uh fan

908
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,640
videos from the gigs um and it says this

909
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:14,000
just because it plugs into a lot of what

910
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,039
you're saying

911
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,960
it says hello we would like you to know

912
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,480
that you were part of a grand experiment

913
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,559
it is called humanity inside of you

914
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,240
there is something called a soul it is

915
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,480
one piece of a unifying mind

916
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,720
some call this mind god some call it the

917
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,720
source but both are correct it is light

918
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,640
it is pure love it is each star born

919
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,480
into the infinite blackness of space

920
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,320
your soul is an antenna that allows you

921
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,000
to connect to the light to all that is

922
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,919
known and to all that will be this

923
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,600
connection is strongest during times of

924
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,519
pain and heartache for this is when you

925
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,960
shine the most

926
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,720
during this show your minds have synced

927
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,559
up to the same frequencies to the same

928
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,559
electromagnetic patterns when we are

929
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,000
connected like this we can achieve

930
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,840
wonders beyond imagination we can

931
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,159
initiate miracles only then can we

932
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,760
experience this physical life in the way

933
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,919
we were intended to as a soul in a

934
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,760
physical body using this connection to

935
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,039
change the world

936
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,799
i thought that was quite it kind of

937
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,640
summarizes a lot of what tom talks about

938
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,399
around consciousness

939
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,080
yeah and that's where he's kind of got

940
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,760
to in his in his journey and we'll

941
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,640
obviously

942
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:12,080
plot a bit more of that as we go through

943
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,840
2017 up to 2019 and and onwards as well

944
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,240
another quote from tom around the same

945
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,840
time as i'll tell you how it was told to

946
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,919
me the universe is teaming with life

947
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,760
there are beings beings with psychic

948
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,679
powers bands of light that are alive in

949
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,480
space amoebas as big as jupiter sucking

950
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:31,760
up energy and some as big as cars

951
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,120
again tom's dropping this information

952
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,600
out there all in one interview

953
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,519
is that the best way to go about it or

954
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,760
again is this maybe a flaw in having

955
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,159
someone like tom who's although he's a

956
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:46,720
public figure and he's confident he's

957
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,279
not he's not a trained speaker to go out

958
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,600
and be able to relay this information in

959
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:52,559
a

960
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,200
though they were they were con congruent

961
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,960
and going one after the other they

962
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,200
weren't necessarily all linked it was

963
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,200
almost like you know

964
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,560
someone said to me you've got half an

965
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:10,000
hour with tom delong

966
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,440
but he'll tell you anything you want to

967
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,399
know and i just sat down and said tom go

968
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,280
and he just starts imparting all of this

969
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,000
stuff and he throws it at jimmy church

970
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,679
and i think maybe part of the issue is

971
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,679
when you're on a show like that and

972
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,960
let's let's you've got to compare

973
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,480
ourselves to something like jimmy church

974
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,919
in the sense that we would do something

975
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,599
quite similar i'm sure

976
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,359
we would want all that information from

977
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,639
tom and follow up but then what we can

978
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,919
segue into this tom goes on to joe rogan

979
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,639
and tries something similar

980
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,560
and it doesn't come off that was a great

981
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,720
appearance what do you mean i'm kidding

982
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,879
it was a little awkward wasn't it i

983
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,040
think some some of the

984
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,280
parts of it where tom was maybe maligned

985
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,359
is where he was trying to use it as an

986
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,119
an example of a video online to say yeah

987
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,960
this is kind of the way something looks

988
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,440
and it was miscommunicated because of

989
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,800
that lack of training that you just

990
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,800
mentioned uh he gets quite excited when

991
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,040
he's communicating but i think we can

992
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,160
all agree that the ttsa was at its best

993
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,680
when tom was being a vehicle for the

994
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,520
voices of the people he shared the room

995
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,520
with people like jim semivan people like

996
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,520
hal put off people like luis elizondo

997
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,839
and christopher mellon you know

998
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:20,240
on that mainstream

999
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,760
platform

1000
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,000
as tom delong given what he had achieved

1001
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,680
over those early years and the

1002
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,760
information he had

1003
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,079
and again you can't not bring up the joe

1004
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,560
organ appearance is he the best person

1005
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,720
to be talking about this subject and the

1006
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,920
way he is

1007
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,359
obviously there's

1008
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:40,079
he talks about he's being used by design

1009
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,040
and

1010
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,119
that he is imparting certain things for

1011
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:44,720
certain reasons again

1012
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,920
he can't go into those those reasons

1013
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,160
but that appearance not going well does

1014
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,720
it harm the image of the subject does it

1015
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,040
feed the fire of the stigma

1016
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,880
or do you think that it's just something

1017
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,400
that has to happen

1018
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,640
for this to go forward and have the

1019
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,240
preceding years

1020
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,480
justified tom delong and what he said at

1021
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,839
that time

1022
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,720
i i think they've justified

1023
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,079
the bits where he says oh i can't talk

1024
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,920
about that because some stone so told me

1025
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,359
you know the big guns told him so he

1026
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:16,160
can't say it um he hasn't was yeah do

1027
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,040
you know what

1028
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,480
some of those big guns have come out and

1029
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,079
we know who some of the big guns are

1030
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,720
absolutely um

1031
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,480
i'll just mention some names for people

1032
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,760
because people might not be familiar

1033
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,960
with these names

1034
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,280
tom's initial team um consisted of

1035
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,040
someone called a major general nia

1036
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,920
mccaslin um he's the former head of the

1037
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,520
foreign technology back engineering

1038
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,920
laboratory at wright-patterson air force

1039
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,839
base um that's supposedly where the

1040
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,359
roswell wreckage was taken and blue book

1041
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,040
was based out of there so that's real

1042
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,040
interesting uh person on his team we

1043
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,599
also have major general michael j kerry

1044
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,359
uh the special assistants commander of

1045
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,520
the space force command of paterson air

1046
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,200
force base colorado um and robert weiss

1047
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,000
uh he's the the executive vice president

1048
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,920
and general manager of aeronautics

1049
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,839
advanced development programs for

1050
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,599
lockheed martin skunk works i think

1051
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,359
that's who tom met at the party

1052
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,320
initially so those three people um are

1053
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,760
all pretty big hitters and they seem to

1054
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:12,240
be on tom's a team um

1055
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,760
those

1056
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,000
advisors supposedly were who kind of

1057
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,079
told them off after after the rogan

1058
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,400
appearance um he's been said that he was

1059
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,160
told off and told to pull back basically

1060
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,920
and and tom did you know he he reeled it

1061
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,560
in a bit um but he's still going around

1062
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,000
talking about consciousness and things

1063
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:30,560
like that um so they to him they're

1064
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,920
clearly part of that core kind of story

1065
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,960
um

1066
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,880
in secret machines the idea that's put

1067
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:40,000
forth is the idea of a cargo cult um

1068
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,440
which i thought was really

1069
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,280
really interesting

1070
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,280
i i had a look around for some kind of

1071
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,800
anthropology papers because i wanted a

1072
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,560
good explanation of it so this is a

1073
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:50,000
little bit of a mouthful but i'll i'll

1074
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,200
try and kind of

1075
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,520
do it as i as i go um

1076
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,599
a cargo call is any of the religious

1077
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,359
movements that exhibit belief in the

1078
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,079
imminence of a new age of blessing uh to

1079
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,240
be initiated by the arrival of a special

1080
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:04,800
cargo of goods from supernatural sources

1081
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:08,320
but they're actually based on

1082
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,599
the observation by local residents

1083
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,920
of the delivery of supplies to colonial

1084
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,040
officials

1085
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,800
tribal divinities culture heroes or

1086
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,880
ancestors may be expected to return with

1087
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,079
the cargo

1088
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,760
all the goods might be expected to be

1089
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,839
passed through visiting foreigners who

1090
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,839
are sometimes accused of intercepted

1091
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,440
material goods attended for them

1092
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,599
intended for the natives if the cargo is

1093
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,400
expected by ship or plane symbolic wars

1094
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,000
or landing strips and warehouses

1095
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,400
sometimes built so you'll have effects

1096
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,520
where

1097
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,599
say the army will be just doing a

1098
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,520
resupply drop on an island and the

1099
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,760
natives on that island see it

1100
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,000
basically think that the stuff left

1101
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,920
behind is gifts from the gods and

1102
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,400
they'll start mimicking what the

1103
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,720
visitors were doing i.e building bamboo

1104
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:54,160
towers and landing strips even though

1105
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,599
they don't actually have planes

1106
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:58,160
expecting the visitors to come back

1107
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,960
and

1108
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,920
secret machines basically alludes to

1109
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,400
us finding ufo wreckage as a kind of

1110
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,480
cargo cult where we're being influenced

1111
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,440
and pulled in a certain direction

1112
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,040
and do you think again if i'm reading

1113
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,720
that correct we've got all these

1114
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,400
megalithic structures throughout the

1115
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,560
world and even like the pyramids and

1116
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,240
whatnot do you think there's been times

1117
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,440
where these things have been built

1118
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,520
because we were expecting something that

1119
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,760
was there for a time to come back

1120
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,680
and these relics have just been left now

1121
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,920
over the decades and centuries i mean

1122
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,240
you've got to assume that when

1123
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,520
you know something like the pyramid

1124
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,200
takes a lot of effort to build or

1125
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,720
whether we're talking about machu picchu

1126
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,640
or any of these kind of incredible sites

1127
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,079
around the world

1128
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,680
you expect something back for your

1129
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,359
efforts right you don't spend energy

1130
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,760
without getting something out of it um

1131
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,680
so it does make you wonder you know a

1132
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,880
lot of these things were worshipping

1133
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:48,400
gods but

1134
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,000
as we go back we can kind of see that

1135
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,240
maybe the gods kind of weren't who they

1136
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,320
said they were uh for example kind of in

1137
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,920
the in the mayan texts

1138
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,680
the final battle in the kind of the the

1139
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,160
town square of the city

1140
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,480
before both sides clashed it says that

1141
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,240
ufo appeared overhead and dived into the

1142
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:07,839
water

1143
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,640
now

1144
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:10,000
you you could argue it to meteor or

1145
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:11,119
something like that but i like coming

1146
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,400
out of nowhere

1147
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,319
stationary over between two fields and

1148
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,319
then we had that kind of i forget the

1149
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,160
date but the roman chariots and and the

1150
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:20,319
wheels in the sky and things like that

1151
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,200
um

1152
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,680
i forgot where i was going with that

1153
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,910
if only i could remember the ending

1154
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,280
that's cool though

1155
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,119
yeah no that that's totally fine i like

1156
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,800
that i mean people can philly finish off

1157
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,640
that analogy for you if they want then

1158
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,440
but

1159
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,040
it's it's an interesting idea and like i

1160
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,960
see i've not read secret machines i've

1161
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,480
got the audio books and i've got to get

1162
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,480
to those after probably a finished three

1163
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,880
body problem at some point this month

1164
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,160
but

1165
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,560
those again started with a round before

1166
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,480
to the stars academy

1167
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,680
safe to say what happened

1168
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,359
in your mind then with that team of

1169
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,839
macaws london co mccasland and co

1170
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,119
actually i'm really american if i say

1171
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,880
mccasland

1172
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:03,359
that they then seem to be replaced by

1173
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,599
put off semivan elizondo and others

1174
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,359
i mean it's wikileaks basically

1175
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,000
wikileaks happens the connections are

1176
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,760
legitimate there are names put to the

1177
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,440
faces instead of just you know the

1178
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,359
general might be in a diner it's now

1179
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,599
general neil mccasland um people have

1180
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,839
tried to follow up and just got nothing

1181
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,440
from there so

1182
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,520
you know those faucets really kind of

1183
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,920
tightened off but by that point tom had

1184
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,280
already been connected with a lot of

1185
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,680
different um a lot of different people

1186
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,359
um the general put time in touch with

1187
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,560
like people from

1188
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,400
doing space work people intelligence

1189
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,400
work biological welfare uh someone

1190
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,760
wrapping the president of the united

1191
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,760
states who may have been uh podesta uh

1192
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,319
podesta was clinton's chief of staff

1193
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,560
obama's senior counselor and hillary

1194
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,880
clinton's campaign manager so if she'd

1195
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,319
won the election he would have had a

1196
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:53,040
position in the white house so

1197
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,480
all of those connections being

1198
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,800
solidified suddenly you know john

1199
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,440
podesta was associated with all of the

1200
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,920
the craziest stuff that tom had said um

1201
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,440
and that wasn't the plan the plan was

1202
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,599
for it to go a certain way um

1203
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,319
and it's amazing that

1204
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,839
you know we've got as far as we have

1205
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,599
because technically this is this is plan

1206
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:12,720
b

1207
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,520
and part two we're going to follow up on

1208
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,160
that plan b as we start to talk about

1209
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,400
ttsa i've seen a lot of letters now plan

1210
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,920
b ttsa

1211
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,599
and we're going to talk about you know

1212
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,240
what happened from from 2017

1213
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,400
for for a couple of years we got

1214
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,640
unidentified off the back of it two

1215
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,200
amazing series of that to be honest that

1216
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,800
i don't think we've had that sort of

1217
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:38,480
programming since

1218
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,359
um

1219
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,960
we have had loyola zondo come out and do

1220
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,200
in numerals and numerous interviews off

1221
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,119
the back of that we've had people like

1222
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,800
sean cahill who's come into the

1223
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,240
community obviously been a friend of

1224
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,000
ours but he's

1225
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,400
a great speaker on the topic

1226
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,560
you know he he came out of unidentified

1227
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,880
and has has meeting up with lou and and

1228
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,440
and them pairing up which was fantastic

1229
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,200
and we've seen them go on fox news you

1230
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,880
know good morning america all kinds of

1231
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:07,119
shows around the world and carry on this

1232
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,400
message that

1233
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,880
in fairness tom started a few years

1234
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,480
before so

1235
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,800
for all tom delong is no longer you know

1236
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,119
part of of that group and that message

1237
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,640
he certainly kick-started it and i'm

1238
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,480
really looking forward in part two to

1239
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,720
digging into that to the stars academy

1240
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,319
age and era that

1241
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,240
probably burned all too quickly and too

1242
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,560
brightly and then and then disappeared

1243
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,240
didn't i still remember doing that show

1244
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,960
of ttsa is no longer a thing that

1245
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,880
involves lou and chris and and those

1246
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,720
guys so um we didn't get that

1247
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,800
anti-gravity craft that we didn't

1248
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,400
promise no but i still have the bit of

1249
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,680
paper with my stocks on i should

1250
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,040
probably tell people that i i was an

1251
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,359
investor um i didn't feel burnt by the

1252
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,280
whole thing because i was supporting the

1253
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,240
spreading of the uap message um i feel

1254
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,720
like i got my money's worth i would say

1255
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,000
well is there anything you're looking

1256
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:56,720
forward to discussing then in part two

1257
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,680
uh mainly the overall kind of

1258
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,280
theory that tom's put forward because

1259
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,880
there's kind of a hard line of history

1260
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,160
there that tom said you know this is

1261
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,520
correct this is correct this is correct

1262
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,640
i hit my mic again sorry about that um

1263
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,599
and

1264
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,560
of talking about it properly would be

1265
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,520
interesting

1266
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,280
i think my guilty pleasure will be

1267
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,880
looking forward to talking about the

1268
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,480
atlantis tweets

1269
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,880
um because i i remember seeing those

1270
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,480
back in the back when they originally

1271
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,160
came out and those are pretty pretty

1272
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,680
cool pretty interesting some of the more

1273
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,119
out there tom

1274
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,440
ideas that have been floated around yeah

1275
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,200
absolutely and we'll talk a little about

1276
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:33,119
plato and tomas when we get there

1277
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,240
because there are some interesting

1278
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,599
things in the text and some interesting

1279
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,760
things to know about plato that aren't

1280
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,280
spoken about much when you go watch

1281
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,640
channels like bright insight and things

1282
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,599
like that

1283
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,520
and they're well worth knowing

1284
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,960
there's going to be a follow-up to this

1285
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:48,000
part one part 1.5 where we're going to

1286
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,520
have all of your listener questions

1287
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,680
opinions and thoughts put into that as

1288
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,119
well and we'll explore some areas that

1289
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,720
we may never touched on

1290
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,560
we've got a lot of stuff already we'll

1291
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,480
record that in a few days so if there's

1292
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,200
anything you want us to follow up on for

1293
00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:04,480
specifically before 2017 then email it

1294
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:05,319
to

1295
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,040
us a dm but the emails are always easier

1296
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,440
and much more appreciated as well and we

1297
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,520
can fill in as much of those we can into

1298
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,920
the listener section of this profile but

1299
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,440
i hope you've enjoyed it something

1300
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,599
different for us uh hopefully you pick

1301
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,920
up some new info it gives you some new

1302
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,680
channels to look at some new interviews

1303
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,319
to search out or not necessarily new

1304
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,319
stuff old stuff that you might have

1305
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,640
missed back in the day as well so dan

1306
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,640
until next time thank you very much

1307
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,560
thank you for letting me be a blink 182

1308
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,640
nerd uh ufos and blink were to my

1309
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,319
passions growing up so uh yeah it's been

1310
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:41,920
a pleasure thank you

1311
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,560
it's always the small things

1312
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,640
that is all for this week's show thank

1313
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,640
you very much for listening please

1314
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,640
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1315
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00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,520
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1324
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,760
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1325
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:17,440
always keep looking up you never know

1326
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:19,840
what you might see

1327
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:46,940
is

1328
00:46:46,950 --> 00:47:00,230
[Music]

1329
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:16,710
like you awake i was about to abduct

1330
00:47:26,010 --> 00:47:17,990
there was something on my head and

1331
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:35,240
[Music]

1332
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,730
what's that

1333
00:48:17,430 --> 00:47:55,109
[Music]

1334
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:19,520
what's that is

1335
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,440
[Music]

1336
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:27,359
it wasn't a tic-tac and not quite a